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Citation
This article truly does need more verifiability. We need citations. Please try to add a few as you can. Follow wikipedia guidelines, I urge everyone to use the <ref> cited material </ref> and <ref name="source"/> tags so that there is a complete list of footnotes created at the bottom.
Please don't just add good books about horses at the end, add source material we are actually using in the article...some of the books listed are in fact sources, let's use the <ref name="source"/> tag as needed to insert them into footnotes wherever they are used. Thanks! Montanabw 19:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Free To Good Home Horses Video
Help with classifying and adding an image
I took a picture of a horse with a covered face, see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Mammals#Image_of_a_horse_with_covered_face. -- PER9000 16:47, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Here is an example from a catalogue: http://www.horse-tack-and-equestrian-clothing.com/fly-masks-fringes-masta-fly-mask-prod1688.html --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Montanabw (talk o contribs) 19:19, 25 February 2007 (UTC).
Here are some more examples: http://www.statelinetack.com/global/search/search_results.jsp?Ntt=fly+mask&In=Horse&previousText=fly+mask&N=2050678 Montanabw 19:26, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
How much?
does it cost for one?74.195.9.240 02:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
A horse or a fly mask? Horses cost anywhere from "free to a good home" (for a sick or problem horse) to over one hundred million dollars (to syndicate a champion racehorse stallion), depends on the horse. Fly masks can be had for under 20 dollars at any tack store... Montanabw 18:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Sleeping
Horses can only sleep lie down for about 2 hours Forgive me for knowing virtually nothing about horses, but I tried to find my own information on how horses sleep before looking at Wiki (the horror), and I found some stuff on a 'stay apparatus,' but also some things that said that horses don't always sleep standing up. Since I am 95% ignorant on this, it'd be great to see something added about how horses sleep. 71.49.115.125 02:53, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
This has been requested a couple of times. I'll see what we can do. Montanabw 14:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
more games
Reply to removed comment: please see gymkhana for information on games.Montanabw 14:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Most of the time horses do sleep while they are standing up, but not always.They can sleep laying down with their legs folded underneath them also. There is a difference with this kind of sleeping and laying on their side with their head on the gorund, that could be a sign of colic. My horse sleeps both ways but some prefer one way or another.
Speed and distance
The info about how fast horses run is great, but I would like to see some data about endurance racing. Specifically, how far can a horse travel in one day, and also day after day, as in the movie "Hidalgo." How many hours can one run in a day? Also, I believe that the pioneers in "flat" country made around 20 miles a day with their conestoga wagons. If true, perhaps that should be mentioned also?
One further question. What is the typical walking speed of a horse?
These questions are answered in detail in the articles horse gait and endurance riding. However, that said, the average horse walks at about 4 mph, and winning endurance riders routinely complete distances of 100 miles in about 12 to 14 hours.
Jumping and defense training
I was checking facts for a science fiction story I'm writing for my Chinese language class (heroine gets out of a tough spot by jumping her horse over a perimeter wall), and found on-line videos of the highest jump ever achieved, 8' 4" (official record 8' 2" because that was the height at the center of the jump). It's a really amazing video, and also an example of the dangers horses are subjected to in competitions.
Humans have jumped almost that high in Olympic competitions, but they don't risk breaking their legs or their spine when they jump because they land in soft foam rubber. They jump higher than they did in years past because they don't have to jump so as to protect themselves on landing. Bones in the legs of the jumping horse (Husao) in the video appear to be curved due to the impact of landing. Fortunately they were not bent to the snapping point.
On another note, entirely hearsay and personal research but interesting, I was talking to a lady who owns an Arabian stallion and she says that if she is in the pasture with the horse and a stranger enters the area her horse will interpose itself between her and the "predator." I've heard of dogs being trained to protect owners, but this is the first time I've heard of a horse doing this kind of thing.
My Arabian mare, on the other hand, once ran to me for protection when the neighbor's horses got loose and came on our property. That was when I had just purchased her and she was really upset about leaving her home herd for the first time in her life, so I thought that was a pretty remarkable indication that she was bonding with me a little.P0M 03:37, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Eight foot jumps will be pretty rare; seven foot Puissance jumps are not super uncommon,though. Six feet fences usually discourage the average horse. I suspect it has a lot to do with innate hierarchical horse behavior -- based on the horse's perceived position in the herd. I have seen some geldings act protectively, standing between a weaker horse and a stronger one that is being a bully. Horses will identify with non-equines as members of their "herd," including humans--you must have been viewed as the dominant herd member. OTOH, one of my mares chases cats and dogs out of the pasture, for what that's worth. Montanabw 13:30, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
How about added or making a new article
Take a look at:
Media:Horseevolution.png P0M 20:20, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Unrelated but interesting, dentition picture Media:Incisivi_Horse-3month.jpg and [[Media::Incisivi_Pferd-6m.jpg]] P0M 20:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Color Calculator for Horses
I found this website, where you can do two different color of horses and learn what their foal will look like! (Example: Buckskin (color) sire + Black (horse) dam= Buckskin, Bay (horse), Smoky Black, Black, Palomino, or Chestnut (coat) foal) Brown is not counted as a color, sadly. --The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.16.151.77 (talk) 22:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC).
FAC?
Is this article ready to become a FAC. I'd say it is. Buc 09:25, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
FAC?? Featured article candidate? Not yet,IMHO, too few citations and footnotes. However, I suppose we could kick around putting it up as a GA, those folks usually do a better job of reviewing articles anyway. I've worked on three articles that went GA and the process was a bit daunting. Montanabw 03:57, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
GA failed
I have quick-failed this article according to the GA criteria. The main reason for failing the article is for the same reason as Montanabw listed above, lack of inline citations. Entire sections are lacking citations, which needs to be improved on before nominating again. The lead also should better summarize the various sections in the article. The article looks stable, has plenty of images, and covers the broad requirement. Once you have added the inline citations to any statement that a reader may question about its verifiability, then consider renominating again once you look over the criteria again. If you believe that this article is in error, see Wikipedia:Good article review. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page. --Nehrams2020 17:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
horse and pony cut offs
According to Pony Club standards and some showing standards the cut off for a pony is 14.2hh and a horse is 15 hh and above. There is no record of what a horse/pony standing at 14.3 is.
In another note to this, in the hunting scene of Ireland it is not unheard of to describe another "size" of pony/horse. They are called cobs. Although officially in Ireland the cut-off is 14.2h for a pony, this is essentially a pony (although can sometimes be up to about 15h, which could indicate where the confusion is arriving here) which is of a stronger build and thus suited to a lighter adult or female adult rider. Cobs are ideally used a ponies for adults or as driving ponies in the past due to their stronger build and pony-like agility. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.80.49.131 (talk) 15:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Pony Club doesn't refer to the size of the animal; in Great Britain, its point of origin, any child's mount can be called a pony. This may have moderated to some degree as the decades pass, but the name remains the same. We were involved with the PC for about 12 years and still have equipment marked LOPC for Lake Oswego Pony Club, as we took kids to a lot of rallies. Think of it as equestrian Little League for the Olympic sports. Regarding the 14.2 cutoff for ponies, that is exactly right. Most show classes do not enforce height, except for pony hunters, which have small, medium and large divisions. This is important because jump spacing is based on length of stride, and a small pony won't make the distances that a large pony will. There are ponies capable of making the stride length of twelve feet that is the standard for horse courses, and these show easily in open classes. We had a medium pony hunter that could nail the distances for a horse with ease.
Class specifications vary, and most breed classes do not have a height standard. In halter classes, mature horses that are obviously undersized may be penalized in the placings, but that depends on how the breed standard is written. Classes under saddle have written standards as well, but it is very rare for someone to question the legality of a competitor based on height, except occasionally in pony hunters. If you challenge the height of a fellow competitor's mount in most Western classes, you'll make a lot of people mad, and there might not even be a measuring stick on hand for disputes. The 14.1 rule exists, but there's fudging going on. There used to be a lot of Arabians in the 14-hand range. Perhaps there still are. The same goes for the Quarter Horses, as some of the old-style horses didn't have a lot of altitude. If one reads the classified ads for almost any light horse breed, almost every horse for sale is 15 hands. They may be the size of a shopping cart when you meet them face to face, but the owner will swear with a straight face that the horse was measured 15 hands.Patroo (talk) 02:22, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
short summary of the many different horse names?
What do people think about adding a section which defines the many different horse names, such as gelding, pony, colt, mare, stallion etc? Although they are, I think, defined somewhere in the article, it would be helpful to pull it all together in a short section. 07:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Age of horses
I believe there is a mistake in the article. The horses' birthday in the southern hemisphere is August 1 (not July 1)
Romania
I believe it is highly offensive to write that Romania is a poor country. This is a fact which has been said on TV in Western World countries for decades, but Romania has improved its economy since then. Besides, not everything said on TV is valid, authentic information. I think a little more research should be done before making such affirmations. The European Union did not consider Romania poor when Romania was accepted as part of the European Union at the beginning of 2007.
There was no option of editing the article. Indeed, you have a point: it is poorer than other European countries. Anyway, congratulations for all the hard work done on this article. It`s great :)
image selection
I've been doing a rehash of the images in the article, and there was one area where I just couldn't seem to make a decision. I think the current "mares and foals" image needs replacing, and I would like to hear which one of the two following selections people prefer. Thanks VanTucky (talk) 20:39, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
In some cultures the eating of horses may be supported, yet in the United States in 7 states it is illegal to eat them. These states includ Alabama, California, Florida, Iowa, Montana, Oklahoma, and South Carolina. --Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbmoore (talk o contribs) 15:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
added sexual fulfillment
I added a small section, completely sourced, about the undeniable fact of the (in my opinion, weirdness) of some people. However I think it should be included into the article. An admin brought up a good point, that it might be a bit much...what do you guys think? Donny417 20:15, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
I strongly suggest that you put whatever information relates to zoophilia into Zoophilia. Your proposed addition has no real merit here, and is likely to be more useful for those looking for it, in Zoophilia. Martinp23 20:44, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
Horse are the Best
Horses are the best of all animals. They can be black, white, roan (red or blue) gray, and multicolored. Their eyes are brown unless they are an albino, then their eyes are blue. The bottom of their foot is called a frog and it peels off several times a year.
By Hannah Clay --Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.142.12 (talk) 22:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
No merger
I tossed the merge tag on respiratory system of the horse for two compelling reasons: First off, this main Horse article is already very, very long. Second, the horse anatomy article was broken out from this one per wiki guidelines quite some time back. Third, the respiratory system article (and circulatory system, and skeletal system and muscular system AND equine vision) was broken out from the horse anatomy article because it also was also getting very long. In short, wiki guidelines suggest that complex articles do better when relevant sections are broken out into new articles. The last thing the Horse article needs is stuff merged back into it! That said, I did add more wikilinks and see also headings to help people find these articles more easily and did a little bit of rearranging of some sections so that they were more logically placed instead of being a mishmash. Montanabw(talk) 16:43, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
How many in horse genus?
In the Odd-toed ungulates article it states that there are 9 species in the Equidae family whereas in the Horse article it states that there are ten. I'm not sure which is correct, otherwise I would have amended it myself.
Joey 23:25, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
This is one of several articles that has a WikiProject Tree of Life banner in addition to the WikiProject Mammals banner. Is this really necessary?--Doug.(talk o contribs) 04:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- I've removed it.--Doug.(talk o contribs) 03:18, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Cutural Differences
In some cultures the eating of horses is introduced as a delicasy, but in the United States it is illegal to eat horse in 7 states. These include Alabama, California, Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Oklahoma, South Carolina. --Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbmoore (talk o contribs) 16:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
unsatisfactory
This article is a link farm (we do speak English, and don't need links to common words) and contains numerous breaches of the MOS.
Can someone do the honours and clean it up? Tony (talk) 05:04, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Overlinking and underlinking: what's the best ratio? On the other hand, do not make too many links. An article may be overlinked if any of the following is true: More than 10% of the words are contained in links; There are links to articles that are not likely to exist or if they did would have little significance in the context of the article; Low added-value items are linked without reason -- such as, 1995, 1980s, and 20th century (this excludes special date formatting, see below); Two links are next to each other in the text, so that it looks like one link -- such as internal links; A link for any single term is excessively repeated in the same article, as in the example of overlinking that follows: "Excessive" is more than once for the same term, in a line or a paragraph, because in this case one or more duplicate links will almost certainly appear needlessly on the viewer's screen. Remember, the purpose of links is to direct the reader to a new spot at the point(s) where the reader is most likely to take a temporary detour due to needing more information; However, note that duplicating an important link distant from a previous occurrence in an article may well be appropriate (but see the exception about dates, below). Good places for link duplication are often the first time the term occurs in each article subsection. Thus, if an important technical term appears many times in a long article, but is only linked once at the very beginning of the article, it may actually be underlinked. But take care in fixing such problems. If an editor finds themselves "reflexively" linking a term without having a good look around the entire article, it is often time to stop and reconsider.
Proposed general "Horse" WikiProject
There is now a proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Horses for a project which would deal with all articles related to horses. It would however primarily limit itself to those articles which are not currently within the scope of any other active project. Anyone who might be interested in seeing such a project become a reality should indicate their interest there. Thank you. John Carter 20:55, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Lead image
I have an objection, which is why I changed it. By comparison, the original lead image is very small and of poor composition. The color collision of the original lead's backgroung makes it much harder to see, and the image I switched to is a Quality Image from Commons. Simply maintaining the status quo is not a reason for retaining content. Consensus can change on any issue, and I am unsatisfied with the current lead. If you have a reason why the new image I chose is unsuitable, I'd be willing to hear it. But reverting just to avoid change for its own sake is unacceptable. VanTucky talk 07:25, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
- What "color collision? One gray horse in a pasture against another gray horse in a pasture??
- The image you inserted (and I reverted) is misnamed as a "white" horse when it is obviously a dapple gray. That alone could mislead people and thus defeats the educational purpose of wikipedia.
- The horse in your image looks like a friendly horse, but is poorly conformed in the front legs, it toes out. In fact, it looks like it also has offset cannons and may be slightly knock-kneed, all things that lead to lameness. You cannot see its feet at all, hidden in the grass. It is also somewhat pig-eyed and stands too close behind
- The horse is ungroomed
- A 3/4 or greater frontal image is less illustrative of an animal that a full side shot (and the shot shows how bad those front legs are)
- A photo of a horse standing still is less demonstrative of the nature of horses than a well-done photo of an animal in motion
- the "quality image" tag on Commons is a general photograph quality tag, having nothing to do with the representative quality of the animal in the shot. And relatively little to do with the composition of the shot
- The blue bucket or tub in the background is distracting
- The image size as it appears on the page is scaled for an infobox, in fact, the stable image on commons is LARGER than the one you used, and at only 200 or 300 px wide, both are perfectly adequate for an infobox. That's just a bogus argument.
- Your edit summary commented on the breed of horse being identifiable and your desire to replace with more of a "generic" image. While an admirable goal, imagine doing that for dog--I mean, the image of the dog leading that article at the moment possesses clear breed characteristics, whether it is actually a purebred animal or not. The only way to hide some breed characteristics is to use an image of an ill-bred mongrel.
- The animal in the stable image has excellent general conformation and the photo clearly shows it. (If I were to nitpick, I'd say I'd like to see the hocks set down a bit lower and the animal is a touch long in the back, but not excessive for a gaited horse. The neck is a little heavy, but it's a stallion, and again, not atypical). Overall, it's a nice quality animal.
- And yet, you wouldn't know its breed immediately unless you looked up the photo. (You might say, "hmm, some kind of muscular Spanish-type horse, wonder which breed?")
- Further, while the horse is identified by breed on its image page and image name, the animal is also a member of a lesser-known breed in the USA (or anywhere in the English-speaking world) and as such doesn't stand out as being obviously part of any faction, that fact alone probably contributes to its stability. If the lead was any common breed in the USA, afficionados of various breeds would (and used to) be swapping photos to promote their favorite type constantly.
the image shown on artical is not true for the image in which they call a horse galloping is wrong. thet horse is cantering. thet gate has 3 beats --Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.38.198 (talk) 21:15, 10 February 2008 (UTC) ...
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