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Horseracing personalities infobox
I used Galopin's infobox to create Template:Horseracing personalities infobox and used it for the first time for jockey Eddie Arcaro. -- Handicapper 13:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Horse Racing Talk Video
New Category
Category:United Kingdom Classic Race winners --The preceding unsigned comment was added by Handicapper (talk o contribs) 17:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC).
Nijinsky II
Note: I added a bio for Nijinsky II at Find A Grave.com and requested he be listed in their "Famous Horse" section. I was informed by Find A Grave.com that Nijinsky II did not fit their definition of a "Famous" racehorse. I felt this smacked of American egocentrism (e.g. Find A Grave lists Swale as a famous racehorse) and e-mailed (info@findagrave.com) them back with even more reasons and asserting that beyond what Nijinsky II accomplished, ALL Triple Crown wiinners are famous. I never received a reply. - Handicapper 15:01, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Category name change
Does anyone know how to change a Category name? I think the Category:United States Champion Thoroughbred Sires should be changed to match the artile titles and become Category:North American Champion Thoroughbred Sires. Handicapper 15:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
New article name
I created United States Champion Jockey by earnings which is long and poorly constructed but couldn't come up with anything else. If someone can imoprove upon it, please do so. Thanx. Handicapper 15:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I haven't changed the article myself but it isn't too bad. Maybe if you could, how about splitting the years into decades? Or have a look at one of User:Zafonic's articles on UK Champions e.g. British flat racing Champion Jockey. Bcp67 20:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Personal Information regarding Specific Article (Cañonero II)
I am related to the former owner of Cañonero II, and would be willing to contribute the page if possible. I know that the proper place for this would be on the article's talk page but seeing the amount of activity that article has gotten I figured this would be the best place to bring it. It really is quite a story, often over looked and under appreciated. This isn't to say that there aren't other great horse stories just saying that it might be a good opportunity to improve the article. Thanks, CraigP 03:22, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
By all means. Edit away. Handicapper 17:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
New reduced font-sized Race Winners tables
The European races use the Color #99ff99 for the bar which is Green. I did a new table (with owners) for the Breeders' Cup Juvenile which is raced on dirt with the Color #D2B48C which is Tan. I thought that for races on dirt they could be done with a Brown/Tan bar whereas for Turf races, use the green. Handicapper 17:44, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
FAR for Seabiscuit
Seabiscuit has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Jerichi~Profile~Talk~ 15:31, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
New Member
Hi, I just entered the group. I'm the first one not to mention a (geographical) interest area, which is simply because I couldn't choose one. To introduce myself, I live in Dresden, Germany but mostly follow American racing (especially NYRA). Since most of the project's members seem to focus on horses and horsemen, I may focus on tracks and stakes in all parts of the world .As you can see in my contribs I started by creating articles about the Chilean tracks and some contributions to the List of horse racing venues(I have always been more fascinated by the "cultural" dimension of sports). Please tell me if there are any specific requests/interests or advice. Malc82 22:40, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
New Member
Hi, I just found this project. I've been editing articles as I find them. I'm in the Chicago area. Jrstark 02:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
New memeber major contribute
Just a wandering Wikipedia editing articles that he sees fit (was a former Derby Owners Club junkie so that sorta explains it abit). Thought I enter with a bang and try to contribute a new template for races. Template:Horseraces infobox. Already placed in the Japan Cup article. Please feel free to edit seeing that I might've made a few boo-boos in or improve it. --293.xx.xxx.xx 04:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Error
I noticed what looks like an error in the article on War Admiral. It is in the discussion section. Cgblaine2 18:38, 15 April 2007 (UTC) Charles Blaine
Sortable tables
At Kentucky Derby you can see a new winners table someone designed that is sortable by column. I think we should try to add these everywhere ASAP as it makes it incredibly easy to pick up jockey/trainer/owners with multiple wins in the race. Handicapper 15:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Australian racing records
Does anyone know of an Australian sporting publication that lists the racing records of racehorses? I am trying to track down a source for Arwon's record which is flagged as a fact. Capitalistroadster 04:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Try getting your hands on a Millers Guide. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.100.111.239 (talk) 07:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
George Duffield
As a participant in Wikification WikiProject, I'd like to draw the above article to your attention. Subject is a retired English jockey. There is a list of the races in which he took part which needs formatting. Perhaps you have a common format for such a list, or you can find one. At any rate, if anyone with some knowledge of racing would cast an eye over the article it would be appreciated. Itsmejudith 22:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
New Contributor
Greetings, I have recently joined this group. My main interest is in pedigrees and bloodlines, having worked in this field at a South Australian Stud during the 1980's. During my time, their best performer was the lovely Adraan (Fr) filly Magic Flute (born in 1983) whose best wins were the Group 1 STC Doncaster Handicap and Group 1 VATC 1000 Guineas.
I have 5 generation pedigrees for the winners of most Australian Group 1 races, to the year 1990, so initially I will be working my way through adding these pedigrees for horses that have pages here. MagicFlute1983 09:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Pedigrees
I would be in favour of formatting pedigrees as follows:
- bolding of sire and dam names
- inclusion of colour and year of birth for sire, dam and grand parents
- inclusion of the Lowe's family number (and branch) for the tail female in the pedigree
Another thing we need to consider is how we handle repeat ancestors in the pedigree for closely linebred individuals.
One thing I have noticed in recent years, is that pedigrees have become increasingly linebred in the first 4 generations - for example Makybe Diva has Northern Dancer in her pedigree 3 times in the pattern 4 x 4 x 4.
I think that it is important to highlight these linebreedings, as they highlight many of the important bloodline nicks that exist (or are emerging).
In sales catalogues in Australia, the standard is to "bold" such repeat ancestors, however in the existing templates the sire and dam are already bolded. Given that, I was considering using bold-italics for line breedings.
Ideally, it would be nice to colour the squares with the repeated ancestors such as in the example that can be viewed at this link, but given the current format of the pedigree template, I can't see how this is possible.
Any thoughts... MagicFlute1983 10:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
I have come up with the following that I am using as a standard for the formatting of pedigrees on pages that I have been working on:
Comments welcome. Cheers, MagicFlute1983 23:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Best Template?
I want to add some Northern California-based horses. Please point out the BEST Wikipedia horse entry that one should use as a template. It would be nice if there was a standard template.
Distinguishing horses with the same name
How should we distinguish between different horses with the same name, e.g. Glencoe born in 1831, Glencoe born in 1864 and Glencoe born in 1879?
I propose that we use a similar method to IMDb and that the individual horse articles should be <NAME> followed by a number (Roman numerals in brackets), with "<NAME> (horse)" as a disambiguation page, i.e. in my example the articles would be called Glencoe (I), Glencoe (II) and Glencoe (III) with Glencoe (horse) as a disambiguation page. Note that I'm suggesting we put the number in brackets to differentiate between numbers which have been added to distinguish between different horses with the same name, and numbers which are actually part of the horse's name, e.g. Nijinsky II. This is similar to the system which Handicapper has used for Peter Pan (horse), but with the number in brackets, as described above. Thoughts? MagicFlute1983 15:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Pedigree Query uses 2, 3, 4 etc. for repeated names. Jrstark 21:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Moving Glencoe (Australian horse) to Glencoe II
I strongly disagree with moving Glencoe (Australian horse) to Glencoe II.
First of all, the name is simply wrong: the horse was named Glencoe, not Glencoe II. There is a ton of disambiguations for Glencoe, so the title isn't specific enough either. Users searching for this horse don't have reason to search for Glencoe II (yes, they will eventually find the dab page and thus the horse, but it's unneccessarily complicated).
Second, the two versions brought up in the above discussion were Glencoe (II) and Glencoe (Australian horse), with the second one not being criticised yet. Also, I moved Glencoe (horse) to Glencoe (British horse) a few days ago, but either way there shouldn't be different naming conventions for the two horses. -- Malc82 18:40, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Question about the Man o' War page
Hello to the members of the Thoroughbred racing wikiproject. Today User:Kingwell4 changed all of the capitol O's on this page to lower case. This was done once before a few months ago. At that time I reverted them back because doing this breaks the links to a couple of other pages. Most notably the Man O' War Stakes. Before I did anything today I thought that it might be a good idea to come and get a consensus from the project about what to do about this situation. Should we revert the edit made today back or should we move the page to reflect this special horses actual name. Due to the fact that all of the books that I have read and most of the websites that I have ever been to use the lowercase 'o I think perhaps the page should be moved to Man o' War and that any other pages like the race mentioned above should probably be moved also (I also note that the page for Man o' War Boulevard already is lowercase). Now I know that this can be a daunting task as, to do it properly, all of the redirects should be fixed when the page is moved (I am also aware that only a few editors do this). Should you all decide to move it I wanted to offer my skills as a Wikipedia:Wikignome in helping in this task as this is right up my alley. Just last week I spent between 2 to 3 hours fixing all of the redirects at the Monty Python's Meaning of Life page so my fingers and stamina are ready to assist if called on. However, if you decide to just revert the page that only takes whoever decides to do it a second. If you decide to leave the page the way it is this will come up again no doubt. I would suggest leaving a hidden message on the page for future editors as to why you want it with the cap 'O. I will go in and add a piped link to restore any redlinks created by todays edit. Thanks for your time and let me know if you need any help. MarnetteD | Talk 17:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Living Legends horse retirement home
Greetings. User:Handicapper created the article Living Legends horse retirement home. The article contains no independent references and no evidence of notability, so I tagged it for speedy deletion. Handicapper reverted the tags, and directed me to take it up here, claiming that I "don't know what [I'm] talking about." Leaving aside the obvious issues of reverting speedy tags on one's own articles and making borderline personal attacks, is there a case that can be made for the notability of this home? --Finngall talk 18:54, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
Feedback: Poseidon
I have just published my first major contribution to a wiki page. Over the last week or so, I have taken on the task of fleshing out the page for Poseidon. All that remains to be completed is a few details for his 4yo career, which I am currently getting together.
As this is my first major work on wiki, I would appreciate it if you could please have a look and provide any feedback. Thanks MagicFlute1983 05:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Category:Famous horses
I would nominate this category for deletion, but wanted to check back here first. As far as I see it, all horses have to be notable to be worthy an article. "Famous" is only a subjective version for "notable", thus this category doesn't seem to have any purpose. Malc82 22:34, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Show Gate
Could one of the Down Under members of this project please clarify this: The article about NZ-mare Show Gate says she was foaled in 1969 but NZ horse of the year in 1977 and '79. Is this really true? I couldn't find any net sources, not even a list of Wellington Cup winners (seems like NZ racing is stuck in the 90s) and the numbers just seem a bit odd to me. Thanks. Malc82 22:02, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
Category:Thoroughbred racing articles needing expert attention
I have added an {{expert-subject|Thoroughbred racing|date=July 2007}} template to the article Thoroughbred horse race which has added it to the category Category:Thoroughbred racing articles needing expert attention. As this category page did not exists before and Thoroughbred horse race is the only article in it, I guess you need to add the link to that page to this article, so that experts on thoroughbred racing can see which articles have a request for expert help.
It might also be a good idea if someone would go throught the Category:Pages needing expert attention and alter any pages listed there that are to do with thoroughbred_racing from the template {{expert}} to {{expert-subject|Thoroughbred racing}} This will move them into the category:thoroughbred racing articles needing expert attention --Philip Baird Shearer 19:31, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Category:Historic horses
Following on from the recent clean-up of the Category: Famous horses, the newly created sub-category Historic horses is now up for discussion. - Cuddy Wifter 07:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Tom Clayton
I have recently created a new stub for early 20th century Australian Jockey Tom Clayton. Please feel free to review, change or make comment. Cheers MagicFlute1983 03:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Horseracing or Horse racing?
I have seen both listed in various articles and category listings and it would seem to be important to decide on one or the other. DandyDan2007 20:49, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Either appears to be correct. Both are used by major racing organizations such as:
- Canadian Horse Racing Hall of Fame
- National Horseracing Museum
Handicapper 12:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Using an intial in bios
The NTRA has begun labelling all members with a middle initial, or in some cases a first initial to avoid internet confusion. I've been changing them at Wikipedia whenever I find one but have come across a problem where the same person has been given two different labels such as:
- Ryan Price (racehorse trainer)
- Ryan Price (horse racing)
This makes it hard when someone gets around to doing a bio. I have been using "horseman", as it is short in the title and easier to type. I don't care what we use as a designate, but we should agree on one standard. Handicapper 12:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
New categories
I created the following:
- Category:British Thoroughbred Classic Race winners
- Category:French Thoroughbred Classic Race winners
If someone can suggest a btter/easier name, please do so. Please note that although I labeled it for horses, in fact it could include jockeys, owners or trainers --- or should there be separate categories for each? Handicapper 13:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Slammington
Hi. I happened by Slammington today, and while it doesn't seem a bit notable to me, I admit I know absolutely nothing about horseracing, so I thought I would drop it here and see if somebody can either improve it or submit it for deletion. Have a great day - CosmicPenguin (Talk) 03:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
New question for the project about the Man o' War (horse) page
As I noted above - though it may not have been seen - I recently moved the Man o' War page and took the time to fix all of the redirects. As you can see in the title above the (horse) appellation was a part of this page to delinate it from other uses of the term Man o' War like a ship or the jellyfish. User:Handicapper has twice added a redirect to this page to go to a page this page Man o' War that does not have the (horse) as part of its title. This page is a cut and paste job of the original page for this horse. I can understand the aesthetic reason for this as the page looks cleaner without the word horse in parentheses. However, you lose the edit history (go to both of these pages and click on the history tab near the top of the page to see what I am talking about) whenever you do a cut and paste move like this and this why this is against wikipolicy to move a page this way. The question that I would like the thoroughbred project to answer is how do you want the page to look. Here are the two options.
- Man o' War (horse) - this keeps the page intact the way it is after I moved it. This choice will necessitate having an admin delete the cut and paste Man o' War page.
- Man o' War - This will require one more page move wherein an admin will again do a merge of the two existing pages. It will also require another 90 minutes + of going through all of the pages that link to the Man o' War page and fixing the links like I did last Saturday.
Naturally, I would choose the first option as I am the one that put in the work into fixing this original page last Saturday, but, I have no problem if the project wants to go with second option. In either case we will have to get an admin involved as they have the extra tools to get this done in a clean fashion. One other thing to note I have already added the two edits that Handicapper has made to the page without the (horse) to that page so there wont be any need to do a merge.
I look forward to your decision so that we can clean this situation up. MarnetteD | Talk 19:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Category change
Note left for User talk:Xaosflux?
- I was a little surprised to see the change to Category:United States thoroughbred racing Hall of Fame inductees without notice to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Thoroughbred racing. "Thoroughbred" is a proper name that requires a capital as officially recorded by The Jockey Club [3], the breed Registry for Thoroughbred horses in the United States, Canada and Puerto Rico. Would you please revert this to its proper title. Thanx. Handicapper 18:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Merger suggestions
Hi all,
Noticed that we have horse racing, a reasonably adequate article (needs work but I've seen worse) but also Thoroughbred horse race and flat racing both of which are, to be gracious, not so adequate. I have recommended that they both be merged with either Horse racing or Thoroughbred or both. While there is good reason to break off things like harness racing and Steeplechasing into their own articles, the main horse racing article is 99% about Thoroughbred flat races anyway, so the others are duplicative. There may be another solution out there, but for now, we have two really poor articles that should just go away and be made into redirects. Then, like the articles horse and equestrianism, as subsections within horse racing are truly so comprehensive that they require their own new article, we can always reclaim the old names or do whatever is needed. I'll leave this message here for a few days to see if anyone objects, and if there isn't a big hue and cry, I'll just add it to me to do list. Montanabw(talk) 18:06, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
Pictograms
Hello, I have made these pictograms, maybe they can be helpful for the project.
Have a nice day. Historicair 15:46, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
English Channel/A P Valentine pictures
Does anyone have any fair use pictures of English Channel or A P Valentine that they can post to the articles? Smashville 15:22, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Video - Precisionist
I just found this Video at YouTube. Precisionist came out of retirement to race again. I guess he was really happy to be back because this is the funniest finishing line incident I have ever seen. Handicapper 16:22, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Open flat horse races
There is currently a proposal to merge the subcategories of Category:Open flat horse races. If any racing fans have an opinion about this, please leave a comment at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 October 22#Open flat horse races. -- Zafonic 14:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Proposed general "Horse" WikiProject
There is now a proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Horses for a project which would deal with all articles related to horses. It would however primarily limit itself to those articles which are not currently within the scope of any other active project. Anyone who might be interested in seeing such a project become a reality should indicate their interest there. Thank you. John Carter 20:54, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- As a follow-up, a new project was created in early December 2007, Wikipedia:WikiProject Equine, which is broader in scope than the original proposal. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:45, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Vandalism with Curlin entry
How does one seek to block user editing rights for a someone who continually edits out facts? It is widely know and openly reported - from the Bloodhorse magazine to ESPN's Breeders' Cup coverage - that 20% of Curlin is owned by two former lawyers (since revoked in KY from practicing law) who remain in jail. That fact is continually edited out. The fate of their 20% stake will come into play as they are facted with a judges verdict to pay back between $45 - $60 million USD in looted funds.
The unsavory ownership element is not lost on those race fans and makes for a frictional relationship. Clearly someone friends of the said owners doesn't care for any such info on the owners to be further kept as part of the record --Kellsboro Jack 04:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Yet again the entry was vandalized and the 20% owners of William Gallion and Shirley Cunningham Jr. being in jail is removed. I'm irked as the news of Nov 1 with a Judge giving their stake to the 400 platiffs of the class action suit - hence them being in jail - was granted. This is fully material to the situation of the horse. --Kellsboro Jack 13:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
We're having more problems with valdalism in the Curlin entry regarding the 20% interest owned by Cunningham and Gallion being turned over to the 400+ fen-phen clients.(Keycap (talk) 17:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)).
New Member
Hi, I'm a newmember and I'm willing to take on assignments within North American Thoroughbred Racing Articles. I'd be willing to expand Jockey, Trainer, Horse (current or historical), and Graded Stake Race articles. Trained in journalism. (Keycap 18:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)).
Polytrack
Anyone want to help me take a stab at cleaning up Polytrack? Currently the article reads like company press release, and has become a depository for a lot of (unsourced) info about the "results" of racing deaths on all synthetic surfaces. Perhaps all surfaces (Tapeta, Cushion, Polytrack, etc) could be combined to "Synthetic Racing Surface" and all point to the same place? (Keycap (talk) 06:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)).
Owners Silks
An anonymous editor has inserted the owners colours (silks) in the racehorse info box of Balmerino. Is it reasonable to include a new field of "Silks" in the info box? I would be interested to hear other opinions on this subject. Cuddy Wifter 22:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
This is good, but colors are not easy to find and a lot of work to try to do all the horses done to date. As such, if voted in favor, I think it should be formatted not to show up if left blank. Handicapper (talk) 17:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
I am against including this information not only b/c of the reason Handicapper mentions above (like being near impossible to find for some retired horses) but also b/c the info seems to apply more to the owner than for the horse itself. Also, what about multiple ownership groups that have an interest in a horse? It isn't unheard of, for example, for the silks to change depending on the number of owners and thier wishes... My vote is that if you want to include this info, include it in a bio about an owner.(Keycap (talk) 23:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)).
I also would side on the 'its nice but doesn't work' category. Example, Calumet's devil red and blue racing silks continue to be seen on the track, but not as Calumet. They were sold after the bankruptcy and assigned to another stable. So how would that get rectified? The era of silks having any meaning or rather connection with fans really seem to have passed IMHO. --Kellsboro Jack (talk) 01:30, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Horse Colors
There is a very minor problem with the chestnut color for horses, which currently isn't consistent from horse to horse. If you look at the Curlin you will see that he directs to the "correct" Chestnut. However, Secretariat was directing to Chestnut (before I changed it) and other horses like Limehouse were directing to Chestnut which currently doesn't work for color but is consisent with the nomenclature that is used for Bay by using (horse) as the identifier rather than (coat) or (color).
Am I making something out of nothing here by wanting them both to be Chestnut (horse) and Bay (horse) or does it not matter as long as the color directs to the right place? (Keycap (talk) 22:44, 4 December 2007 (UTC)).
You are right. I change them whenever I come across them. Handicapper (talk) 16:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia Administrator
The WikiProject Thoroughbred racing needs a member who is a Wikipedia:Administrator to take care of minor things like overriding a "Move" page. etc. If anyone would be willing to become an Admin, please post your name here and I will organize their nomination(s). - Handicapper (talk) 16:02, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
- I'd be willing, but I don't know if the fact that I've only had an account for 5 months would count against me. I'd eventually like to take on some more responsibility around this place. --SmashvilleBONK! 22:06, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
resonse to article and comments made by unknown
First- great article- found it interesting and full of facts- thanks for looking at THE FACTS and not mearly conjecture when compareing the greatest of all times- SECRETARIAT- and the also great Man O' War. To the unknown person who wrote the comments doubting all the facts- please keep your comments to yourself if you have nothing more than your guess work backed up with nothing- or at least have some type of data that backs up what you say. Calling the Vet that performed the necropsy on Secretariat a liar without one once of proof- I see why you don't want anyone to know who you are- RIDICULOUS- (I beleive it is called slander, defamation of character, and liable in a court of law!)! I also see why you have the ability to refute the facts in the article- you have been to race tracks for an entire 30 years! WOW- you must be an expert with all that knowledge! Here, let me help you- I will now end the argument over who was the greatest horse ever by using your logic. I own 13 horses and one of them is a thoroughbred that I have never raced- but wait- I have more qualifications- I have watched more than 30 horse races on tv over the years and I have been around horses for the past 2 years. Now, with my qualifications as a horse expert firmly established- I now proclaim that Secretariat is the greatest race horse of all times! Man O' War actually never broke any world, american, or track records (you know how all those race track people make up lies about legendary horses). Secretariat actually never lost a race- those five loses were just made up by Man O' War fans- all just another great conspiracey theory- (Secretariat also broke a world record evertime he raced). Now that I have difinitively answered the question that has baffled so many over the years- I will return to my normal duties as the world's foremost horse expert! Next week I will become the world's basketball authority and answer the question who is the greatest NBA player of all times and why Michael Jordan was actually just another average player- (all his stats were made up by Larry Fans)! Oh, by the way- I will sign my comments. Please feel free to respond anytime if you need anymore assitance. David Couch pineyhillhorses@yahoo.com --Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.220.25 (talk) 17:31, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
Am I the only person who cannot make out what the above statements (or rant) is about? Perhaps more importatnly in what context it has any relevance with appearing here? If this was to become just a discussion forum of why X horse is better then Y in the opinion of someone it would be pointless. I enjoy racing with a great deal of zeal however like everyone else contributing to TB racing entries requires removing opinion, placing all remarks in check and sticking to supported facts. --Kellsboro Jack (talk) 01:03, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- I think this is related to what was on Talk:Secretariat (horse). I just deleted a majority of the page since it violated both WP:BLP and WP:TALK. Half the page was a Secretariat vs. Man O'War debate. The other half was debating whether or not Secretariat's doctor was lying. --SmashvilleBONK! 19:28, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Article for deletion: Will He Wish
Will He Wish at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Will He Wish (21 December 2007 - 29 December 2007) Deleted
Article for deletion: Tizzy's Dragon
Tizzy's Dragon at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tizzy's Dragon (21 December 2007 - 28 December 2007) Deleted as hoax
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